Xbox Kinect Versus Playstation Move

MaD dOctoR06 December 2010

what a terrible review, as a gamer, and as someone who has used both systems, The Move is so much better than Kinect, (which, no, it is not revolutionary, non controller gaming has been done before, on a last gen console) but, my biggest problem here is that the review seems to have limited the Move to game styles that are only possible on Kinect (family games and sport games) no games that truly show the precision of the Move controller, games like Tumble, (which could also have been in the family genre) and existing core games like Heavy Rain and Resident Evil 5 Gold Edition. also, even though you said it near the start of the video, you didn't take into account when giving it a score the room size that kinect needs to work properly but then I guess non gamers will always prefer a system that can only do basic style games, shame really, usually trust the reviews coming from gadget show...but not this one.

digit06 December 2010

lol @ gadget shows ps move vs kinect biased comparison, it's funny how they didn't show ps move sports champions table tennis, I guess they didn't want to make kinect look like a joke or inferior in comparison. @MaD dOctoR there is a great game coming out for ps3 that only requires the ps eye camera and doesn't need a ps move controller, it uses full body motion control, it's called kung fu live, it looks better than any kinect game out there.

David Coombes06 December 2010

This didn't strike me as a fair test with like for like comparisons. Try "Start The Party" and you'll see Move doesn't always mean frequent calibrating or button concerns; it's quite capable of offering super-simple gaming for everyone. Also, if you haven't unlocked the harder difficulty modes in Sports Champions, you are paying wtih lots of assists that don't give you the true one-to-one feeling that Move uniquely offers. Furthermore you didn't explore the full range of titles, with Move offering a considerably larger selection including direct shooting titles for the core gamer, and simple PSN download titles. The devices are really focussed on two different areas. If you own one console, the choice is made for you. If you're thinking of buying a console to play one or the other, there are a lot more considerations than just the first impressions. There are features and services of the platforms (BRD playback on PS3, and Live!'s feature rich online versus PS3's awkward and hit-and-miss online efforts), space consideration (Eurogamer tested Kinect in several staff members houses and founf one it just wouldn't fit in), whether you're buying just for 'lightweight' titles or for a core gamer in the house, etc. Also there's future potential, with Move showing more plenty more variety at first, including the EyeToy like, camera only, "You are the controller" simplicty of Kung Fu Live, while the homebrew research into Kinect is showing some very interesting possibilities with hand tracking. It would have been better if the face-off had a particular market in mind - core gamer or casual game or all-round entertainment, as they are both 5 G devices in their own way. It all comes down to the software and what you prefer. If you were aiming for a Family Christmas Experience then you should have looked at the party games more.

MaD dOctoR07 December 2010

@digit yeah, I've been following Kung Fu Live for some time now, looks like a lot fun (but will probably require the same amount of space that kinect needs to work properly) and it amuses me that people who are so obviously in the kinect bandwagon keep saying how awful the game looks and that they think it looks stupid, the way you'll be flailing your arms about like an idiot (they've obviously not watched any of the test videos) but it's ok to do it when playing a kinect game. also, they never take into account that Kung Fu Live is a PSN title and is meant to be fun, and let's not forget the PS Eye by itself is about £15 or less buy you will more than likely have the same experience if it was on Kinect. of course it may turn out to be terrible, but the simple fact that the game exists show how non-revolutionary the kinect is, now evolutionary I would agree with, it has 2 cameras and an Infrared camera as opposed to the PS Eye's one camera (which SONY could always add a 2nd camera or completely change the Eye for a dual camera for the real 3D experience) @David Coombes I have to disagree with your XBL vs PSN online statement, one is paid for the other isn't, and as someone who has used both, there is absolutely no difference in performance between the 2 systems online, and the fact you have to pay for the privilege of online play on XBL makes it even more of a joke. I agree that they should have focused on casual gamers or core gamers, looking at it again I think it was aimed more at casual gamers to be fair to them, but they should have made it a lot clearer, as this type of review could hurt the sales of Move. I mean kinect, 5 G's for something that costs £129.99 (with kinect adventures) needs a sports hall to work, is not 1:1 and only caters for casual gamers over Move gets 4 G's which costs (£99.97 for the starter pack+extra Move controller and Sports Champions) which is 1:1 and can cater for both casual and core gamers...hmmm

James07 December 2010

Once again old man, you are wrong. I don't think I'm going to listen to a review of someone who said themselves they don't play games...how pointless does your review seem now?! As people said before, you never even came close to looking at the range of titles that the move has. I'm not even a hardcore gamer, but I know the ps move has family fun games and the superb sports champions table tennis as well as normal games like heavy rain and other regular titles adopting the move system too which kinect doesn't and never will have. Even the camera alone can be used in games which I've seen already. Like you said yourself Bentley, if you're already a gamer, the "buttons" on the move won't be a problem so your review was mainly aimed at my grandma then. That's like saying the playstation and x-box controllers aren't very good unless you're comfortable with games. Silliness! I think the main issue here which you clearly ignored in your final scores is the price and the ROOM!!! When one system that you can sit down with and make precision moves with like Tumble and puzzle games is put against jumping around the room, your clear bias was the one that was easiest for YOU to use in that particular room. One is around £40 and the other is £120.....err.....if I have both consoles, I know which one I'm picking. Especially as the majority of people won't even be able to use the kinect in their homes. Looking around, I don't have enough room nor does anyone I know anywhere in their house to play it. We live in England, not America, we don't all have massive houses you know! One thing you didn't even look at was the light. How much light do you need to play both? I often play at night in the dark and even with a light on, it's still pretty dark and I'm sure the kinect might have issues. As long as the move sees the 'dome', for most games, light isn't an issue. I already made this comment months ago on youtube on their marketing campaign that no one has a room that big and everyone agreed with me. You obviously didn't take that much into consideration. I hope your poor review doesn't hurt the move's sales, and judging by other peoples comments it looks as if everyone else disagreed with you as usual too. I bet Jason under his breath having got both said "....wrong....again!". One is for your casual gamer only and the family / drunken friends etc, the other is for casual as well as hardcore gamers as well as one of them having more future potential that the other. You just got "wowed" by the no controller at all aspect. The gamer Jason should have done the review by a mile or all of you had a go together which would have been nice. Who's idea was it to made Bentley do it?!

Tom Berry07 December 2010

kinect is brill but so is move but if ur some one with no freinds or family thn move is cheaper Motion controller is about £30 each and the Navigation controller is about £20 each the starter pack doent include the Navigation controller so £50 includes a ps3 eye, motion controller, and a starter game so u still need the Navigation controller were kinect £130 is four controllers in one and a full free game yeah u need room but my livin room is not that big n me and my gf play it but we do have to move the settiee but a really gd work out. so for 2 people to play move is around £120 and the ps3 is more expensive but it is a good machine but they should be more competitive with there prices

Sam08 December 2010

hahaha lol at all the PS3 fanbois getting rage over a review :L

Rob Beresford08 December 2010

Having just bought my first PROPER console (got Wii) for my son, I check out both Move and Kinect. As such, I have no bias whatsoever. Having played with both, I can attest that the review was a mess and misleading. Our current console is Wii. Starting with Move, it's precise and instant with no apparent delay, unlike Kinect which has a very obvious delay (1/4 sec lag approx) and can't cope with rapid motion. Also the fact that you still have buttons and D-Pad (if you get the nav controller) is a benefit, not a loss contrary to the review. The deciding voter did not seem to take this into account. Just how can you turn a full 180 degrees with out a physical controller (Nav controller required me thinks)? It's a bonus, not a failure. Now to the Kinect. In terms of Wow factor, this has it all and I can see how a gadget geek would love it but what about long term? Novel and fun though it may be, it has some very real issues. First, it's a real SpaceHog and you'll need a lot of it, especially if more than one player is involved. Yes, all motion games require alittle space but not a patch on what Kinect wants! Despite what was claimed by the deciding voter, it has a VERY noticeable lag, but in addition, it can't accurately track rapid changes in acceleration. Slow movement is fine but when you try anything rapid it all falls over and really is hit or miss as to how Kinect will interpret what you were doing. Also, contrary to the review, it can't see behind you, How can it with only a front facing camera? It can guess that you have put your arm behind you back but that's as far as it goes. Turn your back on the Kinect and it won't have a clue what you're doing, that's why, on its one, it can only do games where you're facing towards the camera; you'd need a physical nav controller for complete 180's (unless you have to gesture if you want to turn more than a few degrees. In a nutshell, Kinect (in its present form) is a gimmick and type of games playable on it is limited. It is also slow which is not surprising given the processing involved in tracking all your moving body parts! To be honest, I reckon the PS3 would be more suited given its superior computing power as developers have already admitted they've hit the limit with XBox360. I also thought the review was about the consoles in general and no mention was made of the fact it's a very good BluRay player with good upscaling ability with DVD material. Also that basic PSN is free (unlike XBox). It is also the only way to play Gran Turismo (a little biased ;-) and as my son loves driving games and it supports decent steering wheels (unlike Xbox) was the ideal, all round solution and wasn't this what the review was supposed to be about? If the review was just about Kinect vs Move, and was pretty much based on Wow factor and new tech, then yes,Kinect may possibly win but I still don't think it will work in the long term with a substancial upgrade in computing power and moreover, it still needs a physical Nav controller (like Move?) for anything other than games where you always face in the same direction. Come on Gadget show! I know this all about new tech but can you guys not put a little more effort into your research? Try playing both for a month making sure you're using all the Move/Kinect games available. Just on the basis of motion controller reviews, I'd love to know what the real outcome would be. I'm not poo-pooing Kinect, It's just I really don't think it has a future in its current form. Now can I have your Jobs please! Robbie

NS08 December 2010

Kinect better than Move? 5 STARS? Are you having a laugh? As numerous people have already stated, the review seemed to compare the volleyball game fair enough but then nothing of the other titles, such as the archery? That's assuming Kinect sports has anything like that? The constant re-calibration of the Move is simply not true either. My living room is about 12' by 11' and it has furniture in it (it's for living in) so there's no way I could use a Kinect even if I wanted to, which I don't due to the awful titles available on it! At least Move seems to have some good titles coming out. C'mon Jon, please get your act together!

Kevin Trebell08 December 2010

As someone who owns both systems, I have to say we're having much more fun with Kinect. As for the comment above. no there as no depth sensing device that could probably project you into a game, just a 2d rgb cam that could vaguely see you in the right light. Move is very good and very accurate - wii hd, Kinect will be capable of experiences not possible on Move due to it mapping your whole body. There's room for both I think. Both are good though.

Rob Beresford08 December 2010

Hi Kevin, While I also think the review was flawed, it's nice to see a positive post for Kinect even though I still think its future is limited. Just a correction though, the Kinect does actually have stereoscopic cameras in addition to the vanilla RGB cam, I'm not sure but I think they may even be IR based. As such, Kinect should be much better at depth perception compared to single cam devices which will rely on a change in size of a know object, (the glowing ball thingy). Only time will tell how both systems fair but expect Kinect to go through a number of revisions at least. At the end of the day, it's all down to developer support. Remember that that in the case of PS3, its potential remains largely untouched whereas XBox has been pretty much maxed out and this is worth taking into account if its now got to deal with processing Kinect's data stream too. Probably barking up the wrong tree but doesn't the Xbox have reliability issues? Since they appear to be based on overheating, this may well be the result of a maxed out CPU core. Maybe if PS3 was used to its full potential, it too would have a stream of overheating issues. With that in mind, I think I'll ban my son from playing anything too demanding like GT5 and limit him to Pacman or Blockbuster instead ;-) Logical Robbie

Sid09 December 2010

If you don't have Kinect then play what you have, you really shouldn't get upset that Kinect is the clear winner EVERYWHERE.

digit10 December 2010

@Sid The only thing kinect seems to be winning is the casual gaming fans, plus the ps move and the ps navigation controller offer more options and freedom game wise and it could be used on proper mainstream fps, third person shooters, freeroam, rpg, RTS games and it's unlikely you will ever see kinect being used on those game genres, kinect is more limited because there is no buttons/controller, kinect seems more restricted to dancing, fighting, party games, etc. it wouldn't surprise me if there was an option to use the ps move controller and the ps move navigation controller on the next gta game, could you ever imagine the next gta game having an option to use kinect ?, not a chance.

Sid11 December 2010

@ digit The casual gaming market is what Sony and MS are both after first, Sony rushed out Kinect to beat MS to that very market with threir party game releases but failed. Microsoft have won over this side of the market and Kinect is now the the fastest selling gadget of all time, http://www.gamestooge.com/2010/12/06/kinect-best-selling-gadget-ever/ And now Kinect has the casual game market it has announced a whole "new" lot of core games for 2011 and these are NEW IP games not just bolt ones to old games like they are doing on the PS3 Move with Killzone etc "Five new exclusive Kinect games coming from legendary Japanese creators" http://majornelson.com/archive/2010/09/15/five-new-exclusive-kinect-games-coming-from-legendary-japanese-creators.aspx There is also other core titles such as Child of Eden, Star wars etc PS3 Gran Tourismo 5 was released in the USA last week and was outsold by Kinect on it's 5th week of sales. GT5 USA sales to date week 5 =184,067 total 657,460 Kinect USA sale to date week 2= 423,290 total 2,187,096 Kinect has won

Daset11 December 2010

@ digit Perhaps you could explain how Kinect has 7 brand new core games announced for 2011 already ?. and yet the PS3 move only has 1 original title that is new for 201 that Move is not just being added to.

digit11 December 2010

@Sid I don't care how well the ps move or kinect is selling(only sony and microsoft should care about that and FYI ps move has sold 4.1 million world wide), anyway my point is the the ps move and ps navigation controller will offer more possibilities/freedom for game developers and their games, plus the ps move/ps navigation controllers will transition to more game genres than kinect ever will, and I can't stop laughing at the idea of kinect trying to transition to a game like resident evil 5 or the next gta game, oh shocker resident 5 actually has ps move support. @Daset I think you need a better argument, there is nothing really to say to that except meh, even sid's argument was better and that's not saying much.

Sid11 December 2010

@ digit, FYI Move has "SHIPPED" NOT SOLD 4.1 million Moves not the same thing at all in fact it's very misleading as was their SHIPPED numbers of GT5 compared to the actual sales which were a lot lower 2.45 million lower in fact. . ' "Sony confirms SHIPPING, NOT SELLING 4.1 million Move units" http://news.yahoo.com/s/digitaltrends/20101130/tc_digitaltrends/sonyconfirmsshippingnotselling41millionmoveunits ' Resident evil 5 with Move I have played, I take it you have not as you wouldn't mention it otherwise. BUT the whole point is nobody wants bolt on to old titles they want fresh new titles like Kinect has for 2011. At the end of the day you are just a PS3 fanboy who has only one console and won't listen to anyone but yourself or people who agrees with just you, I have both consoles, I will have Kinect this Monday(early present as gift is from someone not going to be here) but I have told them I do not want Move for the simple reason it has nothing to offer me,a few add ons to some old titles and no real no future. Microsoft on the other hand have made a very clever move by allowing Kinect port open(for now) on the PC You only have to see what the techies are doing on the PC with Kinect to see that Microsoft are just waiting to use the best bits in the xbox version.

digit11 December 2010

@Sid Let me ask you this, do you think the next gta game could have optional kinect support ?, I don't think kinect would work with that type of game at all, the next gta game could easily have optional ps move support though, because the ps move and navigation controller transitions to more game genres very well because of the two controllers, buttons and motion control combined, kinect just doesn't transition to third person shooters, freeroam/sandbox or first person shooters games that well, that's the reality(you can even buy ps move guns that hold your ps move and navigation controller and use that instead) Even if they did bring out a third person shooter, FPS or freeroam game just for the kinect, I could imagine it being very rubbish and poorly done.

digit11 December 2010

@Sid Let me ask you this, do you think the next gta game could have optional kinect support ?, I don't think kinect would work with that type of game at all, the next gta game could easily have optional ps move support though, because the ps move and navigation controller transitions to more game genres very well because of the two controllers, buttons and motion control combined, kinect just doesn't transition to third person shooters, freeroam/sandbox or FPS games that well, that's the reality, you can even buy ps move guns that hold your ps move and navigation controller and use that. Even if they did bring out a third person shooter, FPS or freeroam game just for the kinect, I could imagine it being very rubbish because those game genres just won't work well with kinect's technology.

AnonymousDigit11 December 2010

@Sid Let me ask you this, do you think the next gta game could have optional kinect support ?, I don't think kinect would work with that type of game at all, the next gta game could easily have optional ps move support though, because the ps move and navigation controller transitions to more game genres very well because of the two controllers, buttons and motion control combined, kinect just doesn't transition to third person shooters, freeroam/sandbox or FPS games that well, that's the reality, you can even buy ps move guns that hold your ps move and navigation controller and use that. Even if they did bring out a third person shooter, FPS or freeroam game just for the kinect, I could imagine it being very rubbish because those game genres just won't work well with kinect's technology.

Sid12 December 2010

As far as GTA goes, yes I can see KInect working in parts of the game and just like Move you wouldn't play the whole game just using the motion controllers just parts of it. If you don't know this if a Kinect game does not have the purple line on the box cover that means that it is NOT a full Kinect game, but the non purple game boxes mean that some parts can be used with Kinect.(Says something like "May have better experience if also used with Kinect) So you see MS have got it covered as they have two types of game, the Full Kinect games or the games where they state Kinect can also be used in parts of the game. Why are you saying "Even if they did bring out a third person shooter," it's not a case of if it's a case of when and that when is 2011 and will probably be steel battalion DEBUT TRAILER HERE - http://www.gametrailers.com/video/tgs-10-steel-battalion/704560

AnonymousDigit12 December 2010

You could use ps move and ps navigation controller through a whole gta game though because it would work pretty good, I don't think you even know what the ps navigation controller is, here is a picture of it http://i53.tinypic.com/11lj779.jpg it might be more difficult than a standard controller on a game like gta, but ps move + navigation controller is still going to work better on a gta game than kinect ever will and not be limited to certain parts of the game like kinect would be, kinect would be so limited in a game like gta, ps move wouldn't.

AnonymousDigit13 December 2010

@Sid I take it that you received kinect today and tested it out ?, but I guess you don't want to reply back because you realized that the kinect is inaccurate and not very sensitive compared to the playstation move, and I am sure you noticed that the kinect reacts slower with noticeable lag.

burberlang15 December 2010

I don’t have any problem here with Kinect and Move.. I have both and even though I do love the PS3 Move, Kinect’s games just don’t do it for me. I play games sitting down not faffing about in front of my TV for hours on end almost giving myself a heart attack and I never had any problem pressing a button to eject a disc or pausing a film and I certainly don’t have any interest in playing volleyball.. but I really hated this review as while I think its unprofessional I really feel it’s so biased favouring Kinect with no proper fair analysis of the two devices. I saw this a while back on TV when it was aired but seeing it on here again really bugged me. At 04:09 when they calibrate the ps3 move they say “Mike and I went through a bizarre ritual of pointing the controllers in different directions” ok but didn’t they also have to do a calibration process with the Kinect which was apparently not so bizarre then?. Whoever these two guys are that GS roped in to do this review they are clearly not gamers on any scale. If really they spent all there spare time playing games then they wouldn’t be very good radio DJ’s..cuz yeah when your making a comparison with two pieces of gaming technology what you really want is a couple of radio DJ’s around that are incapable of pressing buttons. Who exactly has any kind of issue with pressing buttons on a motion controller? For some reason they had to point that out twice on the Move. They spent 1:57 reviewing MS’s Kinect and 1:36 on Sony’s Move so how is that a making a fare comparison? Ok so they did give Kinect a knock too like the charade of getting out a tape measure to measure the room, but that’s a given with any device that is controller free so I don’t know why they felt the need to make it out to be a problem here. They failed to mention that Move/PS Eye also does body and facial tracking and while Kinect is a slightly more advance camera as it has multiple lenses to sense the depth and infrared spectrums of light to track body movement, any tech savvy reviewer should know that a devices limitations is not bound by its hardware but the software that runs them. Kinect and Move are aimed at totally two different demographics so seeing this shoddy review makes me think GS got paid off by Microsoft. Kung Fu Live wasn’t around when this review was aired so I would hope they go back in a month or two and make a proper comparison. Even at the end of the review they praised the Kinect a little bit more raving how great It was, however I don’t believe they discussed the Move properly and slated it at every opportunity. With such a small time frame to show off both of these devices it just wasn’t enough time to make a fair and unbiased comparison of the two and not at all fair to the viewing public, which begs the question why bother in the first place to make this comparative review if they were not going to dedicate a good portion of the program to it like they do with on other comparative reviews.

Apple iPie28 December 2010

I am really surprised at all these comments. Recieved Kinect for xmas and found that it has NO lag at all! Works really well and is great fun. Generally I think all this ranting is people who just haven't got kinect

anonymous03 January 2011

All reviews will be biased in one way or another and the old xbox vs ps never fails to rally the troops! You do need to take into context the reason for buying Move or Kinect. The review was largely coming from a non-gamer who was looking for a certain kind of experience. I recently got Kinect and must say it has lived up to my expectations. I would not have purchased an xbox otherwise. The games are all pick up and play although i definately wouldn't use Kinect if you want to play FPS or driving games (then you wouldn't want to use any motion controller would you?). There is a delay to the Kinect controller which you would notice on poorly programmed games or games which require a level accuracy, Here Move is better suited. The Kinect technology is definately the next step for gaming or controlling other devices and hopefully will be developed further down the line. Apparently the Kinect is only using half the USB connections available bandwidth at present so in theory could be made more enhanced/accurate. So for the person that is after an enhanced Wii experience and is not really interested in being a 'hardcore gamer' then Kinect is the best choice otherwise Move is better suited

matty27 November 2011

i am looking at a new headset for xbox360 whats the best one

Mark Askew11 January 2012

The Gadget Show biased?? Never! LOL I remember watching this episode and shouting at the TV how biased and unfair the review was. How can you do a serious comparison between different consoles and use two completely different software packaged to trial. Come on, The Gadget Show has, and will, always favour those gadgets which they personally prefer ie. Sony and Apple! Unless of course those particular companies are greasy the wheels!

Suzanne Smith11 January 2012

I have a Kinect and a Move - the Move is far, far superior. The kniect suffers in low lighting and the voice recognition is rubbish! By the time you've got the kinect to recognise your voice, you might as well used the controller. The PS3 Move is a bit weird having the glowing orbs at the end of the controllers but then again, a small price to pay to have a lag free system which works well in low lights in the evening without the need to have the main light on in the living room. I'm going to throw a spanner in the works now and say that I actually prefer the Wii controller over the Kinect for it's size and usability. But then again, it was designed for this purpose from the start - shame the graphics aren't up to much but prefer game play over graphics any day. Just look at how Angry Birds was popular and my god that was addictive! lol